‘Cain and Abel had different biological fathers’

Reverend John

There is just one word to describe him, ‘controversial.’ He is the General Overseer of The Way, The Truth, The Life Tabernacle Church, located at Caaso area of Alagbado, Lagos State, Reverend George Chukwuma John. He does not believe in the general ideology of Christendom, rapture and heaven. He even has different interpretations and slants of events in the bible. In fact, in this interview with JULIANA FRANCIS, John hotly condemns churches which allow women to mount the pulpit. He also gives incredible explanations on why the socio-economic and political situations in Nigeria will not get better. While revealing that his church’s strongest doctrine is belief in predestination, John says: “Cain and Abel were born by two different men.” Excerpt:

Why did you say Nigeria is a cursed nation?

The government should realise that it has a duty to play, to help people. People who are leading us are selfish. They don’t care what happened to the masses.  Certainly, there’s no way government can satisfy everybody, especially with a nation of such population. But the things I see happening in the nation is unfortunate.  I had preached a message, that Nigeria can never be better, that Nigeria is a cursed nation!

 Nigeria can never be better, Nigeria is a cursed nation. God gave me four reasons why Nigeria is cursed. I keep challenging these preachers, who are deceiving people, telling them that Nigeria will get better tomorrow. I said it’s a lie! We’re waiting. It will never happen! One; during Biafra/Nigeria civil war, Nigeria government cut bilateral relationship with Biafra, then with Israel. Any nation that fights with Israel is cursed. Though they have restored that relationship, the curse had been there. Later we saw what they called FESTAC77. God told me that it was Nigeria inviting all the demons in African, to come there and display and deposit the demons they had. That naturally increased the curse.

Many people used to talk about customs, culture and tradition, but they really don’t know the stories behind such.

Thirdly, That was during Shagari time. Then later, Nigeria tried to join, OIC, if I’m not mistaken. It is an Islamic something, which I think one of the military president tried to push Nigeria into. I keep asking people why do you think Nigeria will be okay, when we have multiple religions? People in the Senate, how do they pray. In the morning, they pray as Christians and in the evening, they pray as Muslims. Is that not madness? Who are they calling upon? Is it God? is it Allah? I know that my God and Allah is not the same thing. I’m surprised to hear Christians, saying Allah is God. No! Allah is not the name of God in Hausa. The name of God in Hausa language is Ubangiji.

These things have compounded the matter. Majority of Nigerians are possessed by these demons.  These demons have been released to put Nigeria into problem. I will suggest that everybody runs into Christ. Many leaders, at the helms of affair are also possessed, which is why they are selfish. Such leaders don’t work for the interest of the country, but solely for their own selfish interest.

Nigeria can never be better. For years I have been saying this and many preachers have been saying jazz. When Jonathan Goodluck finishes, another President will come in, but the situation will still remain the same. I believe in predestination.

If you’re saying that part of Nigeria’s problem is too many religions, then what about US? They have several religions and even have problems with Jews, yet the country is better than Nigeria.

Everything that happens, there is a story behind it. There is something about America and Americans which people don’t understand. God is allowing America to succeed because America is governing the Israelites. This is whenever Arab countries rise against Israel, Americans will stand. It’s a spiritual battle. Revelation, 13, tells us about America. The beast that comes from the earth. While Revelation, 17, tells us about Roman Catholic. The beast that comes from the waters.  So, the beast that comes from the earth is America. God is using them today, to protect and stand with Israel. They are in good relationship. But before Israel will be destroyed, Israel will be destroyed one day, but people don’t know. When Revelation 11 will be fulfilled, America and Israel would have cut relationship. God is allowing America to succeed because he’s using it to play a part in his programme, which is to protect Israel.

Religion or not, God is protecting them. America has respect for Israel. Britain today is living on past glory.  God is specifically using America, to do something now. later, America will turn against Israel, but that’s when we’ve gone in rapture.

So there’s a reason for America succeeding?

Yes, God allowed it! When you come another time, for a fuller interview, I will go into the scripture to show you. If you watch, America is the headquarters of world council of churches. America is standing behind the beast and the whole churches are having their council in America, which is  a biblical council.  With time, pope seating, will be the world president, and chairman of the world churches. This is God’s programme and it takes only the Bride to know this things. All the churches, all the denominations, jumping up and down, none of them are going to make rapture!

 All of them, beginning with their General Overseers are all blind! They are all dead!  There is only one church that is going to make rapture.

Which church is that?

It’s the end time church. The church that stands on the totality of Malachi 4, 5 and 6. Revelation, 10:7. Only one church, the remaining…

But which is that church? Does the church already exist or are we still expecting it?

Sure, it’s already in existence! We’re standing on Revelation 10:7! And Malachi 4, 5 and 6. We’re standing on that! Any church that is not standing on that, none of their members will make rapture! The highest is that few among them, will go to great tribulation and they will not make rapture.

If that church is in existence, how do I locate it?

(He laughs) you see, one man met with Jesus in the bible. He is the young rich ruler. He asked Jesus, what can I do to make eternal life, little did he know that he was talking with eternal life.

What do you mean by predestination, which your church believes in?

Predestination means that God knows the beginning and the ending. Everything you see, is God simply dramatizing with his creatures, which was the language God used to describe it to me.

Satan in operation, God created him. God led Satan to do what he did, so that he would fulfill his mission. God in the beginning, was not God. God is an object of worship. Then nobody was worshiping him, he had not created people. It was when he stepped into time, that he created and man started worshipping him.

That was when he took the title, God. God is actually a title.  If you worship money, it’s your God. if you worship your work, it’s your God. That is why we have god of thunder and other things. So anything you worship is your God. God knows those he created that would make heaven. He knows those who will go to hell

Wow! Are you really serious?

 I will proof it scripturally, using Genesis, Malachi, down to Mathew and Revelation. God said in Roman, ‘can the pot query the potter? Can you query God for anything? He said that ‘I created Esau and Jacob.’ Esau and Jacob, were in the womb, not yet born. God said, Esau, I hate. This is a child that had not been born. Why does God hate him, what had he done. God said Jacob I love. God knows that Jacob is his seed.

Let me go back a bit. In the book of Genesis, when God created man in his own image. He created them, male and female, but they were spirits. When there was now need to till the ground, God took the earth, mounded it and breathe man into it and it became man. There was no woman. Woman was just in the man. Today, you see women parading themselves, saying what man can do, woman can do it. It’s a lie!

Let me ask you, can you now, as a lady, pregnant a man to have children? No! But a man can impregnate 200 women and they will all bear children.

In the bible, woman is a byproduct. God does not count women in census. Today, women are preachers, ministers, it’s a sin! Woman is not supposed to preach. I’m very sorry my daughter, I don’t mean to embarrass you.

No problem, I’m trying to follow your argument?

Today, you see the lives of people changing because they have left God’s will. Then came the time there was need for God to give a man, a woman, God made the man to sleep and he brought out a woman. So, a woman is a byproduct. If you have plastic and grind it, you can use it to make another plastic. But it can never be like the original plastic. The second plastic becomes fairly used or second hand, depending on what you want to call it. That’s how a woman is. And that’s why a woman is a weaker vessel. A woman can never be equal with man. But in churches today, churches have become so blind, that they’ve made women equal with men today.

Now, when God brought them, Satan was an angel of the lord, called Lucifer. He was  very handsome. God made him perfect. He was the only angel that walked in the midst of the fire. Then, pride entered Lucifer. God is the one, allowing all these things to happen. He has to proof that he is God by dealing with those who will listen to him. Lucifer came up and there was war in heaven and Lucifer was thrown down from heaven. Lucifer wanted to be God, but how can he be God? He cannot create. The only thing Satan does is to tamper with whatever God has created, making it not to be like the original.

Lucifer went into the Garden of Eden. God allowed him. There was only a pastor in that Garden called Adam, the prophet of God. There was only a church. The woman is the church. The woman produces children who will now worship God, while the man will preach to them. The way God had earlier planned for people to procreate was not the way we do it today, whereby man will have intercourse with a woman and will now produce children. That was not the original plan. What we have today, is an impersonation.

God allowed it to be going on. When Jesus came, we all saw the original plan of God, on how to procreate children. No man met with Mary before she had Jesus.

So, was that the original plan?

Yes! That was the original plan. When Satan came, he also needed somebody to worship him. Adam cannot obey him. What will Satan do? How will he get the woman to bear children that will worship him? Satan was a spirit, but he entered into an animal. As God is also a spirit. God cannot just enter a church and starts speaking. God will possess a man, who is the pastor, to speak through him. In every age, God possesses a prophet, who speaks and people listen, in order to do the will of God.

Since Satan knew he could not get Adam, he entered into an animal called Serpent. He entered an animal that was so close to a man. And waited until Adam leaves, then he uses that animal and approached the woman. He didn’t preach to the woman. He simply asked the woman a question. He said: ‘Did God say…?’ and the woman in trying to answer the question lied against God and the Holy Ghost left her. That’s why God has left all these churches, because they have added to the word of God, Revelation 22:18:19, says ‘if any man shall add to this book of prophecy, God shall add unto him, all the plagues written in this book. And if any man shall take away from this book of prophecy, God shall take away his name from the book of life and Holy city.’ All these churches that you see today, they are all out of the way of God!

So, all these churches are not going to make heaven?

Some of their members will make heaven. But none of them will make rapture.

So now we have those who will make heaven and those who will make rapture?

Yes!

Please explain what you mean?

I will come to that, but let me download. Remember you asked me something on predestination.

Yes. I believe that God knows everything, but what bothers me is why God kept Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, instructing them not to eat of the forbidden fruit, when he knows that they would surely eat it anyway. After all, he knows everything!

I have told you before what God told me about all these. God told me that he was simply dramatizing with his creatures. If you are a film writer, you’ll say Mr. John will be armed robber, Mr. Luke will be a Christian…you’ll now come and teach them to play these parts. The one that is armed robber will starts shooting. You’re just keeping them busy. God is just keeping the world busy, because he’ll finally bring it to the end and settles only his children. God predestined it, he allows it. When you come next time, I’ll give you bible passages to back all these.

Is it because of that so called drama that took place in the Garden of Eden that women and men are suffering today?

Like I was trying to tell you, when the serpent came, what did he do? The bible says, she ate the fruit, is that not true?

Yes, it’s true!

It means she had sexual intercourse with the serpent!

She had intercourse with the serpent or Adam?

I mean with the serpent! But people don’t understand. God was only using language that sounded soft. The serpent, an animal, had sexual intercourse with Eve.

The serpent?

Yes, the serpent. The animal. The animal has no soul in it, but it has a spirit. But man on the other hand, has spirit, soul and body. He had intercourse with her that was how the woman took in and was heavy with Cain. Cain is the serpent’s seed. Cain is not a child of Adam. When Adam came, the woman told him. Adam knew God was going to destroy the woman and give him another woman, but Adam so much love the woman, that he decided to stand with her. Just as Jesus Christ came, saw me and my brethren in sin and died for us, so as to redeem us. So Adam decided to follow Eve, to commit that act, knowing full well that God will not kill him, because he was a son of God. But God would have killed the woman. What Adam now did was to join her, and met with her. When God came, very angry, asking what happened. Adam said it was the woman you gave me. God asked the woman, what happened; she said ‘the serpent beguiled me.’ God cursed the serpent and said, as from today, you’ll now walk on your belly. Thus his hands and feet went away. He was no longer moving like a human being.

God also cursed the woman, saying all your life, the man would rule over you. And that she was going to have problem in conception. All the curses God rained upon the woman had to do with pregnancy. God turned to Adam but could not curse him, because he loved him, rather he turned to the earth and cursed the earth. Why did God curse the earth? Did the earth offend God?

When Adam met Eve, she took in for him. She took in Abel. When the Serpent met her, she took in Cain. Two children. They were twin. But made by two biological fathers. When Cain was born, because his father is Serpent and Serpent is the prophet of Lucifer, he had to fulfill what his father started. Serpent destroyed the man with God, so Cain had to do that also by killing Abel. Adam now got Seth who continued with his generation. So, there were two human beings; the serpent seed and the seed of God. God will allow the two seeds to be playing along, but the one that is serpent seed, will finally go back to serpent. Cain will go back to Serpent, Serpent will go back to Lucifer and Lucifer will end up in hell fire.

While those of God’s seed will go back to Seth, Seth back to Adam, Adam back to God and eternal life.

So what you’re saying is that some people, no matter much they go to church or tried to be born again, will not make heaven according to your predestination theory?

We’ll continue next time. Come any time for us to continue this interview.