Barrister
Gabriel Giwa-Amu is known as a foremost crusader for prisons’ reforms in
Nigeria. In this interview with JULIANA
FRANCIS, Giwa-Amu speaks on the last prison riot in Lagos, stressing why
jailbreaks and riots will never stop.
He also speaks against the judiciary,
insisting some judges and magistrates are not qualified for their positions. Excerpt
What
is the cause of jailbreaks and riots in Nigerian prisons?
Congestion is an issue. It’s not the fault of the
Nigerian prison service or the officers in charge of the various yards. Among
their statutory duties, is to receive persons who ought to be kept in their
custody on the orders of the courts or tribunals.
They don’t have the discretion to receive or not to
receive such persons, except in cases where they don’t have the facilities to
look after the person. Their other duty is to bring the person to court as at
well due based on the warrant, sent to them by the court. The prisons are not
entitled to keep lunatics. They’re not entitled to keep someone whose state of
health can endanger other patients, for example, an Ebola patient.
There’s also the issue of the maltreatment of the
inmates. When there’s a crowd of people, it becomes difficult to individualise
contact with everybody. For example, the Medium Prison was built for 1, 300
inmates, it now has about 2, 800. It’s difficult for the Chief Warder or warder
to enter into a personal relationship with the inmates. This is what the
awaiting trial expect; after all, the court has not found them guilty. They
regard it as maltreatment.
The feeding is an issue too. The contractor of the
various prisons, who supplies foods, lives in Abuja. How do they determine the
number of inmates they have to feed in the various yards? At the end of the
day, the contractors’ supply two or three bags of rice or two bags of garri and
feel they’ve done their bit. It’s this that necessitated the inmates wanting to
feed themselves.
This is why the inmates now scramble for an
opportunity to have stoves. They feel if you can’t feed us while we’re awaiting
trial, we might as well feed ourselves.
Some officers in charge have been gracious enough to
allow them, although it’s a breach of the standing order to allow stoves, pots
and generating sets to inmates.
When
you say maltreatment of inmates, do issues of sodomy, lesbianism and
homosexuality come into the picture?
Such happens in every prison in the world, not just
Nigeria! The prison is a different world entirely. Why do you expect a man who
has been in custody for seven years not to spike his libido? You can get the
truth from me, even if the prison authourity tells you they don’t have issues
like. I have clients who speak to me about such things. I relate with them
one-on-one. The officers in these prisons will not tell you what I’m telling
you now. There’s high grand lesbianism and rampant homosexuality in the prisons.
In South Africa, its worst!
What
about female inmates who end up having babies in prison? Do you think it’s the
prison warders who are responsible?
You want me to say that, but I would not say that!
I’ll be very frank with you. Any seminar or convention I attend, they ask me
this same question. I regret to inform, that’s not the case. In the female
prison, you have wardresses. They are female warders. The way it is built, you hardly
find a female making contact with a male. But sometimes in the past, there had
been just one incident; about nine years ago, where a warder was alleged to
have impregnated an inmate. That ended well because immediately after she was
released, they got married. In the past four years or so, there was a case I
know where an inmate’s impregnated a female wardress. Again, it ended well.
They’re happily married today. There’s no law that says a wardress cannot marry
an inmate.
There
are some allegations that some warders’ sell smuggle Indian hemp into prisons
and sell to inmates.
It’s true! A bag of Indian hemp in the Nigeria
Prisons sells for N250.000, that same bag sells for N50.000 in the conventional
market. The more difficult is it to take in, the higher the price. This year, a
prison warder was convicted by justice Idris, given 21 years imprisonment for
trafficking Indian hemp in maximum prison. It’s a known fact! And the former
Deputy Comptroller of Prison (DCP) in charge of the Maximum Prison, Shinoye,
did a wonderful job of checking trafficking. So did the former DCP of the
Medium Prison, that’s Tunde Ladipo. Several times they bring out the raw seed
and burn them outside. Aside from Indian hemp, they have cases of cell phones.
The most dangerous part is that SIM cards are put
into watermelon, brought in by relation. You wouldn’t think any person would
put in a SIM card inside watermelon. Incidentally, a client of mine was in
court with us and at the time she was taken back to the yard, she had two Nokia
phones inserted into her vaginal. They were tied neatly into nylon and inserted
into her vaginal and she was in her period.
But for the diligence of the prison officers that
day, she would have gone into the yard with those phones.
There
are also allegations that charity materials brought for inmates are taken over
by warders.
In every profession, we have the good, the bad and
the ugly. In my profession, I can’t say all lawyers are as clean as the Pope.
We have some rogue warders. They deviant from the norm. It’s not unusual to
hear such things. Sometimes they pilfer, not just things brought to the inmates
by the NGO, but even things supplied to them. So long as these matters are
checked, it won’t become a permanent problem. That it happens, it’s not in
doubt.
Why
do people sent to prison to reform, come out worse? Sometimes they form robbery
gangs inside the prison. Has the system failed in reformation?
In actual fact, in most prisons, we have gangs even
in Brazilian and Mexican jails. The problem is that when you have congestion,
you must have ways to dissipate the anger of these inmates. When you fail to
maintain the prison, gangs now emanates. It’s all over the world.
We
also heard that inmates stay inside prisons to organise robbery operations.
Yes! It’s possible.
Is
it because the inmates were given the liberty of using phones?
It’s not a liberty, it’s trafficking! When you talk
of liberty, it means it’s lawful. But this time, it was trafficking. An inmate
once called me. He said he hoped I didn’t live in Oshodi, I said no. He said he
was asking because there was a robbery there last night, from 12 to 3am. I
didn’t know there was a robbery. I asked him if anybody was killed, he said he
didn’t know, but that by tomorrow morning, he would give me a report of the
casualties. I told him that I’ve recorded our discussion and that by tomorrow I
would play it to the warder in charge of him. I reminded him that we were
representing him pro-bono, that he should get another lawyer because I wouldn’t
be out there, battling to release him, believing he was innocent, only for him
to come and start looking for the number of people he had killed outside.
Do you know that incidentally, without any effort on
our part, the CJ went there in the course of one of her visits, released that
man. He had been there for eight years without trial. The good news about the
matter was that he was killed in Ijebu-Ode in a robbery operation.
That’s
just what I’ve been saying, the prison system has failed! These people are not
being reformed.
No! No! Let me tell you, I’ve watched with interest
the Minister for Interior, Mr. Abba Moro, saying that the prisons were built
for reformation, rehabilitation and restoration. And I said to him, restore to
what? Rehabilitate what? How do you restore a man who has spent six years in
prison custody, only for him to be found, not guilty? How do you restore a
person, who has lost all, including his family, property and everything!
If disbursement of funds is actually sent to the
prison yards, there’s a lot that the officers at the prison yards can actually
do in terms of rehabilitation. Unlike what is happening now. The aftercare
section in the prison yard is dead. The rehabilitation section is also dead.
What we have now, is just a dumpsite!
We
heard that most of the prison structures had been there since colonial era.
The wall at Ikoyi prison fell. My brother there was
told to go and source for money, to rebuild it. He was the officer in charge of
that yard. He didn’t have money to rebuild it. He now used zinc to cover it
until they came from wherever and rebuilt it. In Kirikiri, the soil there is marshy.
It’s quick to sink. If you build a wall now, don’t be too sure you’ll see that
wall by next year. These are issues they hadn’t looked at. There hadn’t been a
violent jailbreak there, is not because of the height of the wall, but because
of the characters of the officers and men there.
If 2000 inmates decide to push that wall down, it
will fall! 171 warders as against 2,800 inmates, it would be a massacre!
What
motivated you into fighting for inmates, taking their cases pro-bono and
demanding for renovation of prison yards?
It gets to a stage in a man’s life, when it can’t be
about you all the time. My brother initiated me into this prison ministry. My
first experience when I visited prison was to discover that most of the
inmates, awaiting trial, are innocent people. I was shocked. You can imagine a
case, where a policeman has a dispute over a fan with his neighbour and simply
because he works with Federal SARS, he organizes the arrest of his neighbour,
charged him to court for armed robbery and the man stayed in prison for two
years. Within those years, the man loses his job and his wife not wanting to
wait further, married another man and the landlord throws out property of the
man who was still in prison. This sort of story brings water to the eyes.
There was a case where a man visited his girlfriend
and because her uncle didn’t like him, he arrested the man and charged him for
armed robbery. He was in prison for five year. When you see such kind of cases,
you’re bound to be touched. We now throw our backs behind indigent people,
giving legal services pro-bono.
When we got in, we realized there was another
problem. If you don’t want a dog handler to share of the food of your dog or
starved your dog to death, you must look after the handler too.
Do
you mean the warders?
Yes, the warders are the dog handlers! We found out
that most of them are frustrated. They lacked what was needed to work. They
needed motivation and equipment to work. As I speak with you, Nigerian Prison
Service is not known to have a hospital of their own; they have clinics,
dispensaries in the yards. But unlike other uniform agencies, like Navy
Hospital, Military Hospital and even the police have their own.
You can imagine how frustrated a doctor that works
with the Nigerian Prison will be, when all his patients are being taken to Navy
hospital.
We said let’s do something. From the little resources
we had, we did some minor repairs in the prisons. Those that didn’t have
furniture, we supplied them.
In Ikoyi prison for instance, I was surprised to see
an officer, writing on his laps. I asked him how much he had in his account. He
said in his salary and personal accounts, nothing. I told him that I wanted him
to buy table and chair for himself, so that I can refund him, but since he said
nothing, we supplied him table and chair.
The things we supplied are worth about N12 million,
but in the whole of Lagos State offices, about N18 million furniture. This
doesn’t include vehicles and other items. I charged the Minister for Interior,
that there was nothing he could tell me about prisons. I told him that we
should visit some of the prisons. At Shagamu prison, the place was leaking and
there were inmates who had not been taken to courts in the last two and three
years. Yes! This is because they don’t have functional vehicles. As I speak
with you, the ACG, which is equivalent to AIG Zone 2, doesn’t have a functional
vehicle to take him to work.
The comptroller of Prison, Ogun State, doesn’t have
a functional vehicle to take him to work. There are inmates in Abeokuta who saw
court room a year ago. At Ukwale prisons, the officials take inmates to courts
in motorcycles. In that same prison, we have men who are as old as 85 years,
awaiting trial, for cases like house breaking. We released one in June this
year.
Except the government takes a bold step, of actually
setting up a serious minded committee, empowered to renovate the prisons and
emphasized the role of the prison, we’ll still have these problems.
If you’re a prison warder, whose salary is just N35.000,
and you have three kids and someone brought some bags of rice, what would you
do with one bag of rice? Pastors say those who stay by the altar should feed by
it and so also the warder, who stays by the gate of the prisons, should feed
therein.
Recently
you wrote a letter to President Goodluck Jonathan on the state of the prison.
Has he replied you? We also heard that prisons have budgets
In papers, there’s a budget. Budget stops at Abuja,
prison headquarters. I know for a fact that N40, 000 was what was paid to the
Lagos State Command every month as allocation. What they’ve done now, is to
make sure the contractors get paid in Abuja, so everybody focuses on Abuja.
I challenge any prison officer to an oath, to come
and tell me if they’ve collected up to N500, 000 this year as allocations. And
when there’s a jailbreak, there’s complain that these officers don’t know what
they’re doing. They know what they’re doing.
As to whether the president replied my letter, I’ve
always asked people how one tells a deaf and dumb man that his mother is dead.
When we sent that letter, we were not expecting a reply. We just wanted
awareness. Senate committee visited the prisons and gave a damming report. The
prisons are not congested. It’s the awaiting trial sections that are congested.
If you remove the awaiting trials, you’ll have enough rooms.
Why
are we having so many awaiting trials? Why are so many innocent people on death
row even though they had been through lawyers, magistrates and judges?
That the judicial system is bad is not in doubt!
That we also have bad judges and magistrates is not in doubt. That we also have
good ones is not in doubt. That administration of justice can be improved is
equally not in doubt. We pray that the day will come, when the selection of
judges, will not be based on personal relationship.
What about the qualification and character of the
judges? There’re some judges, their favourite part time is to adjourn cases. We
went to Ogudu Court and she adjourned to February next year. I know of a judge
in Lagos State, who did not have a magistracy exam. But she’s a high court
judge now. When you have such kind of people in the judiciary, what do you
expect? It’ll be adjournment, upon adjournment. The Lagos State Government has
done a bit of its own. It has passed laws; it remains to checkmate arbitrary
adjournments.
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